By Yaduraja das, IRM UK

26^th December 2001

Madhudvisa's Defeat Of Madhudvisa

 Madhudvisa Das* has written a paper entitled "Krishnakant's Final Order- A Very Misleading Paper" in which he disputes the conclusions of "The Final Order". As we all know this paper demonstrates from signed directives that Srila Prabhupada did not authorise his disciples to initiate their own disciples within ISKCON, but only to operate a Ritvik initiation system with himself remaining the sole, institutional diksa Guru. Madhudvisa states that such a conclusion is 'very misleading', and that Krishnakant, the paper's author, is a 'crazy fellow' for stating this.

However, Madhudvisa's claims can be defeated by an authority that it is logically inadmissible for him to defeat - namely himself! For Madhudvisa has made the following statements around the same time he wrote his scathingly personalised attack:
 

So Madhudvisa makes it clear again and again that the Ritvik system is the "only authorised system of initiation in ISKCON". And please note that these are not Madhudvisa's previous views which he has now claimed to change, they are current. Yet in his paper -"Krishnakant's Final Order - A Very Misleading Paper", he states the exact opposite:
 

Here Madhudvisa comments on a quote wherein Srila Prabhupada states that one 'can become the spiritual master of the world'. However, as we have seen above, Madhudvisa does not actually believe this since he has already said that no one except Srila Prabhupada should be the spiritual master in ISKCON via the Ritvik system. So by Madhudvisa's own statements no one can or should be the spiritual master of the world, since ISKCON is also part of the world, and this is off-limits to all spiritual masters except Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada himself described ISKCON as a world movement, so where is there left for any other gurus by Madhudvisa's own logic? Unless Madhudvisa prabhu is referring to a world other than the one he currently inhabits. He states:
 

Here Madhudvisa comments on a quote wherein Srila Prabhupada's states that 'every one of you should be spiritual master next'. Clearly, according to Madhudvisa, Srila Prabhupada is not speaking of the 'spiritual master's succession', since Srila Prabhupada is never succeeded by his disciples, but remains the Guru in perpetuity via the Ritvik system as he previously asserted. He goes on:
 

Above Madhudvisa comments on a quote wherein Srila Prabhupada states:
 

Once again how can Madhudvisa truly believe that Srila Prabhupada wanted his own disciples to act 'just' as he 'doing', since that would mean them initiating within ISKCON (this is 'just' what Srila Prabhupada was 'doing') and yet we have just read Madhudvisa clearly preaching that no one is allowed to initiate in ISKCON except Srila Prabhupada!

In this way, every interpretation of Srila Prabhupada's quotes which Madhudvisa gives in his attack on "The Final Order" can be defeated by his simultaneous assertion that only Srila Prabhupada can ever initiate in ISKCON.

Madhudvisa also contradicts himself further by stating that we should not even be discussing the subject of Ritvik and ISKCON:
 

Yet instead of following his own advice and doing something 'practical', he decides instead to write a paper which does not present a single quote from Srila Prabhupada's books in support of his thesis.

Then for good measure, after having repeatedly contradicted himself, Madhudvisa also states that *Srila Prabhupada* contradicted himself:
 

The only thing which is 'strange' is Madhudvisa's offensive mentality, whereby he thinks that Srila Prabhupada is afflicted with his own flaw of self-contradiction.

Madhudvisa had predicted at the end of his paper the following:
 

Thoughtful readers will most likely see that, from Madhudvisa's own quotes presented above, *Krishnakant* did not even need to respond him. Rather it is clear that:

'Madhudvisa has defeated Madhudvisa'!

Surely the most crushing defeat of all. So thoughtful readers will indeed have to decide who has been defeated, was it Madhudvisa or Madhudvisa?

Not only can Madhudvisa defeat his own assertion that Srila Prabhupada ordered his disciples to initiate their own disciples, but anyone who goes to the IRM website, will see that these same false interpretations to Srila Prabhupada's quotes have also been given by the GBC, and they have been soundly defeated therein also.

The fact that Madhudvisa continues to simultaneously promote the Ritvik position would seem to indicate he has not suddenly embraced the GBC's philosophy that 'Srila Prabhupada consistently and continually ordered his disciples to initiate in ISKCON after his departure', even though that's exactly what Madhudvisa states in his recent attack. So why does he both accept the Ritvik conclusion, and at the same time attack 'The Final Order' with arguments that defeat his own position? We can only speculate that such bizarre behaviour is due to Madhudvisa's envy of "The Final Order" paper. This envy may be due to his own admission that the Ritvik conclusions presented in 'The Final Order' are Krishnakant's unique contribution, and thus no one had previously presented them:
 

Perhaps this is why he tries to defeat "The Final Order" at all costs, even at the expense of ridiculing his own statements. Otherwise to promote as correct two mutually exclusive contradictory conclusions is truly the behaviour of a 'crazy fellow', the very accusation he makes against Krishnakant.

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada

Yaduraja das
IRM UK

* (Note: This is not the famous 'old' Srila Prabhupada disciple Madhudvisa, the ex-GBC member, but another individual who adopted the same name via a 'Ritvik' ceremony he claims he took in Australia. He was also previously known as Madhudvisa Swami and Mahasringa Swami, having also given himself sannyasa initiation via a picture of Srila Prabhupada. However later decided that he did not want to be a sannyasi, and reverted back to the name Madhudvisa Das)