Back To Prabhupada, Issue 74, Vol. 3, 2022
In the previous article, we noted the GBC's promotion of "equality" by finally authorising a female, HG Narayani Devi Dasi ("NDD"), to become a GBC voted-in diksa guru. As we shall now show, it is true that a female GBC voted-in diksa guru is just as "equal" to a male GBC voted-in diksa guru when it comes to being able to deviate philosophically.
NDD preaches against Srila Prabhupada remaining ISKCON's diksa guru, claiming:
"He is your siksa guru but you cannot accept him as diksa guru. For diksa you need to be personally present."
(NDD, Q&A Session, 3/4/22)
1) However, Srila Prabhupada does not teach such a difference, that a siksa guru does not need to be "personally present" but the diksa guru does. There is no such statement from Srila Prabhupada.
2) On the contrary, Srila Prabhupada states:
"According to sastric injunctions, there is no difference between siksa-guru and diksa-guru"
(SB, 4.12.32, purport)
"Physical presence is immaterial"
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 19/1/67)
And so on.
3) The diksa guru does not need:
a) to be personally present after initiation, since Srila Prabhupada's disciples remained his disciples even after he physically disappeared;
b) to be personally present at, or for, the initiation, since after July 9th, 1977, Srila Prabhupada's disciples were initiated via rtvik representatives without any involvement from Srila Prabhupada;
c) to be personally present for a prospective disciple before the initiation, as many of Srila Prabhupada's disciples never met or had any contact with him whatsoever.
Thus, NDD does not dispute that the diksa guru's personal presence is not required before, during or after the initiation! But, she argues that the diksa guru does need to be merely present somewhere on the planet at the moment the initiation ceremony takes place – otherwise his personal presence is never required. Spiritual teachings are given for a spiritual rather than a material purpose, otherwise they would not be spiritual teachings. Thus, inventing such a requirement for the diksa guru to only be "somewhere" present without any spiritual purpose as claimed here, cannot therefore be a spiritual teaching, and this is proven by the fact that such a "somewhere" requirement has never been taught by Srila Prabhupada. Rather, it has been invented out of thin air with the sole material purpose of allowing persons such as NDD to claim that Srila Prabhupada is ineligible to be anyone's diksa guru so that they can take that role for themselves instead.
NDD states in the same talk just quoted:
"So Prabhupada is like the father and now the present gurus are the children and their disciples are the grandchildren. And Caitanya-caritamrta says, there is a verse which says there is the guru, there is the disciple, and there is the grand disciple."
But neither this verse (Cc., Adi-lila, 10.160) nor the purport speaks about Srila Prabhupada authorising his disciples to succeed him and accept disciples of their own within ISKCON. Rather, when the purport refers to ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada simply speaks of his disciples spreading Krsna consciousness, just as they were doing when he was physically present:
"Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu wanted devotees all over the world, and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura also confirmed this. It is in pursuit of their will that the ISKCON movement is spreading all over the world."
(Cc., Adi-lila, 10.160, purport)
Thus, NDD's claim that Srila Prabhupada's disciples can accept their own disciples is just made up, having no evidence to support it.
"So you can find statements of Prabhupada for anything you want to say, either way, you can find statements of Prabhupada"
(NDD, Facebook Live Lecture, 30/5/21)
NDD claims that you can find Srila Prabhupada stating anything you want him to say. Thus, for any issue whatsoever, she claims you can find Srila Prabhupada supporting opposite conclusions ("either way"). This would mean that Srila Prabhupada spoke contradictory nonsense on every subject under the sun ("anything"). But if this was actually true, then you would be able to find statements where Srila Prabhupada states that:
"We should eat meat." "We should take intoxication." "Krsna is a demigod." And so on. But such statements do not exist. Such offensive attacks on Srila Prabhupada's teachings are made because it is seen that Srila Prabhupada has made statements which establish that he will remain ISKCON's diksa guru. Thus, guru hoaxers hope to counter such statements by claiming that one can actually find Srila Prabhupada stating anything, and thus such statements do not need to be accepted as being conclusive.
"I typed his [Srila Prabhupada's] Adi-lila, 13th to 17th chapters [...] I would type in English transliterations. [...] he said, "So, I want you to learn to type in Bengali and we will do many books together""
(NDD, Bond of Love Interview Series, 3/4/21)
NDD explains here how she did typing services to help produce Srila Prabhupada's books. Hence, Srila Prabhupada's supposed statement "we will do many books together" clearly refers to NDD continuing this typing service for Srila Prabhupada's books. NDD then claims, in reference to this statement:
"thirty years later I started writing books and it's like his words came true that I'm doing books with Srila Prabhupada."
(NDD, Facebook Live Lecture, 13/5/21)
She thus claims that Srila Prabhupada's supposed statement that "we will do many books together" has "come true" due to NDD now writing her own books! Therefore, NDD claims that Srila Prabhupada supposedly stating that NDD should help him produce his books means that NDD would actually produce her books. Such cheating statements are typical of GBC gurus who also claim that Srila Prabhupada ordering that he should be the diksa guru (via using rtviks) means that actually the rtviks, his disciples, should be diksa gurus!
Deviation knows no gender!
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